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LordEamon
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Posts: 1131 Posted:
Jul 31, 2010 - 07:57 PM
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I have done an achievement once never got around to adding supporters thou
but I was going to have a chalice to one side for Roaring wastes and perhapse an Archery butt as a supporter for GOA given with the Greenwood
edited by: LordEamon, Jul 31, 2010 - 11:16 PM
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Galiena
Legionnaire
Posts: 97Posted:
Jul 30, 2010 - 06:42 PM |
There is a decent overview of heraldic achievements and "who gets what" in the Scribes' Handbook. There is so much more than most people realize. It also shows a picture of the (nearly) complete Midrealm achievement--very cool!
Check it out--it starts on page 40.
Scribes Handbook
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Arrantxa
Centurion
Posts: 750Posted:
Jul 30, 2010 - 12:47 PM |
<----- heraldry geek since age ten. 
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Brannos
Dux Draconis Magnus
Posts: 5096Posted:
Jul 30, 2010 - 12:04 PM |
Arrantxa thanks a ton for that update! Any more info you remember is always welcome. Glad you straightened us out a bit.  I might see about doing mine as well just so I can figure out what I can have.
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Arrantxa
Centurion
Posts: 750Posted:
Jul 29, 2010 - 12:51 PM |
Okay, folks, time for some basic vocabulary (which I'm hoping won't be patronizing, because heraldry really does speak its own language - most of it Old French).
Your device is the heraldry that most people spend the most time developing in the SCA, with all those nifty charges and colors and fields and everything else. In the picture Brannos posted, it's the shield in the middle of everything.
Your achievement, however, is the entire picture. I find it is sadly neglected in most people's heraldic usage within the Society. Apart from the occasional use of the full achievement in Royal displays, I think I've seen exactly two people show off their full achievement, as large banners (aka bedsheets) hung along the side of their tents.
A great many SCA awards, grant you certain rights with regard to what you can have in your achievement, including how many supporters you can have (those are people or critters holding up the shield), things the supporters can wear or carry, and what you can have on your helm.
Things on the helm include the mantling and the crest. Mantling usually just displays the main heraldic colors of the person's device, or it can represent livery for a household or group to which they belong. It's often shown looking very leafy ti simulate a mantle that's been cut up in battle (and also because it looks cool and is more fun to paint, let's be honest here). The crest is the thing that sits on top of the helm, which may or may not include a coronet of some sort, again, depending on awards you've received and have the right to use.
A dragon crest is a dragon, standing on your helmet. Or rearing, or walking, or whatever, though those three would be the most heraldically correct.
Everyone with an AoA or higher has the right to their device, one supporter (usually standing to dexter, the viewer's left), a helm, mantling, and some kind of crest. Types of mantling may be restricted - red and ermine, for example, is exclusively for Da Royals - and as you've already guessed from Azrael's question, some crests are intended for use by certain ranks.
Everyone with a GoA or Grant-level award may add a second supporter. Dragon supporters are restricted by rank.
Baronial achievements get two supporters, who may wear Baronial coronets if they are people, and may carry banners displaying any awards the barony has earned as a group.
There's more, I'm working from memory here, but it's all kind of interesting and you almost never see it fully displayed. Probably the herald's handbook has more information on it if you're interested in some of the details.
Cheers,
Arrantxa
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Rutgur
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Rex Draconis
Posts: 794Posted:
Jul 29, 2010 - 11:32 AM |
See pp 48-49 of the current Protocol Handbook (regarding Achievements):
"Holders of Grant of Arms who have served the Middle Kingdom as a Great Officer of State are entitled, at the Crown's discretion, to bear a Dragon Crest."
"Restrictions on Crests and Supporters: The choice of crest and supporter(s) is a matter of personal whim. There is no bar to two people using the same crest and supporter(s). There is, however, one restriction: the dragon crest and the dragon supporter may be used only as prescribed above."
So, your dragon crest can be in any position you'd like and in any tincture you like. I'd suggest avoiding "a dragon passant vert" since that is used by the Sovereign & Consort, and "a dragon couchant vert" since that is used by the Tanist & Tanista; but other than that, make it personal to you!
edited by: Rutgur, Jul 29, 2010 - 02:32 PM
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Bran
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Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3703Posted:
Jul 29, 2010 - 11:13 AM |
You are right, Brannos. I re-looked on the site and the Midrealm site says:
Reason Given In the Middle Kingdom, this honor is given to those who have served as great officers of state. They may display a dragon as a crest in their achievement of arms.
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Brannos
Dux Draconis Magnus
Posts: 5096Posted:
Jul 29, 2010 - 11:03 AM |
BTW this is really cool heraldry!
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Brannos
Dux Draconis Magnus
Posts: 5096Posted:
Jul 29, 2010 - 10:59 AM |
GOA I believe is just dragon supporter for your device. See below:
The supporters are the wolf and the dragon (GOA can have one of these I believe) and Northwoods also has Kingdom Augmentation so you can see kingdom device on the actual device as well.
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Azrael
Plebian
Posts: 66Posted:
Jul 29, 2010 - 09:39 AM |
Greetings, heraldic types! I'm getting back into active fighting after a fairly long absence due to family illness. I received a grant of arms after serving as Kingdom Chronicler a few years ago, and would like to add the dragon crest to the top of my new shield. By my reading of kingdom law, there's not much more detail other than that such holders "may use a dragon crest in displaying their arms." Are there more specific heraldic rules delineating what may or may not be done with such a crest -- i.e., must it be on a particular background, may it be placed on the Midrealm Pale, etc?
Thanks to all!
YIS,
Azrael ben Shemhazai
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