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Bran
Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3699 Posted:
Jul 26, 2007 - 05:46 PM
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And what are the SCA rules on 2 handed clubs?
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Jul 26, 2007 - 01:56 PM |
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| I think this is answered in the last post, but I got this question today:
"I had a question about warclubs; can they be two handed and are trusting tips allowed? If not I will fight spear but I just wanted to know
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James"
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The Mac Bible war club was a two handed club. I do not remember seeing a thrusting tip on it though.
http://www1.tip.nl/~t401243/mac/mac14vB.jpg
http://www1.tip.nl/~t401243/mac/mac10rA.jpg
This is a Falx or Fauscaurd that is allowed.
http://www1.tip.nl/~t401243/mac/mac10vA.jpg
Also the Medieval Chopper is shown.
Hope this helps.
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Thugicus Atlantii
Posts: 484Posted:
Jul 25, 2007 - 10:40 AM |
I think this is answered in the last post, but I got this question today:
"I had a question about warclubs; can they be two handed and are trusting tips allowed? If not I will fight spear but I just wanted to know
Thanks
James"
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Jul 22, 2007 - 05:18 PM |
This will probably be my last post on this forum.
There is not much else that can be accomplished here.
In a week people will begin their journey back to The Debatable Lands.
To summarize what we have covered:
This will be a Crusader Type Battle which will be an attempt to run a few battles with a more historical feel.
All participants are asked to make a reasonable attempt at the armor and weapondry of the First though the Third Crusades. Circa roughly 1095 through 1195.
Only weapons typical to said period will be allowed. Those being:
Single Hand weapons with shields -
Broadsword
Hand Axe
Mace
Dagger
Shields being Kite, round or heater types
Spears (lances)
two handed Axe
Combat Archery and Seige Weapons (Used in a period manner)
Thrown Weapons
Javelins
No Greatswords, Bastard Swords, Polearms, or two weapon styles will be allowed.
Exception to this rule is as follows:
Maciejowski Bible weapons
http://www.keesn.nl/mac/mac_en.htm
Namely the Falx or Fuscaurd
The Medieval Chopper
The War club.
Possibility that Glaives will be allowed.
In closing we of Outremer would like to thank all those who have contributed to this forum and will participate in this upcoming event. Truely this has been a labor of love.
We wish you all God's speed and safe journey. We look forward to meeting you all and having an awesome time.
Thanks for making this come to life.
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Bran
Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3699Posted:
Jul 16, 2007 - 02:46 PM |
Saladin was in his mid 50s during the 3rd Crusade. 50 for that time period, the enviorment and he being of Middleeastern decent (Kurdish), he'd be a tad old looking compared to Richard at age 33 (and a front line commander styled Knight).
I am sure there will be champions aplenty on the field that day! 
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R.Plantaganet
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Jul 16, 2007 - 11:14 AM |
We are much saddened by this news, for We had hoped to test Our mettle and Our faith against such a renowned warrior. We know that God shal defend the right and that Our brothers in arms will shew the strength of their faith. Nevertheless, We shall look for you upon that fateful field and hope and pray to God that We may meet in earnest.
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Jul 15, 2007 - 10:04 PM |
Also Javelins will be allowed.
This was a common practice by the Franks to throw javelins.
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Jul 15, 2007 - 10:03 PM |
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I would assume that they used pretty much the same thing. It would be great if one of the Saracens would post info on this?
Logically if the enemy would have a different weapon that worked well it would be incorporated into the arsenal of the army. Example would be the Templars using "Turkish Maces."
I believe their tactics where the biggest difference. Not really using the heavy calvary charges that the Franks would use.
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Conseco Ago
Posts: 182Posted:
Jul 15, 2007 - 08:54 PM |
Any info on weapons for the saracen side? |
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Jasper
Plebian
Posts: 31Posted:
Jul 15, 2007 - 04:42 PM |
I was just curious to see if any of the Hospitallers would be wearing brown as opposed to black cappas, since it was mentioned on the list that Hospitallers would wear black. It was not until 1259 that the rule stated that Knights would wear black mantles to set them apart, as opposed to the sargeants who presumably wore brown. However upon reading the discussion about black dye fadding to brown on this list I am assuming that this rule was a way for the Knights to get the newer clothing, and for the sargeants to get the hand-me-downs.
I'm not trying to push the issue too much since most people have probably already made their cappas or surcoats.
I pesonally will be wearing a very dark brown (almost black) cappa, that should fit my role as I am not a knight. But for the most part, I immagine most people are wearing black.
Also thank you for the finalized list of weapons, as I was still unsure after reading the previous posts about weapons as to what was ultimately agreed upon.[LIST] |
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Jul 15, 2007 - 02:12 PM |
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| After 6 months on the injured list and an MRI. It was discovered that I have a torn labrum which is the tendon that cups the shoulder socket. I'm trying to get an appointment earlier than the aug 6 date they want.
But as of now I cannot weild the sword against the infidel, ( but I can definatley inspire and point to where I want the faithful to go. |
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I would think it very authentic that you stood back and commanded your troops. In thinking about this I do not remember reading that Saladin actually engaged the Franks many times personally? As a king, he would have stayed back to observe and give orders?
I just want to say to you make sure your health is up to the task. If for whatever reason you cannot make this event please do not feel bad about it. Your health comes first. That being said I know you will be there if at all possible. We wish you good and fast recovery. I myself had shoulder surgery and missed fighting last year.
Hope you get better soon.
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Jul 15, 2007 - 02:04 PM |
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| Cool. Did you all use black fabric, or did you use dark brown for those who are not knights? I'm trying to figure out the best way to get a uniform look.
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Sorry I should have clarified that I was addressing the above question.
Yes, most crusaders were secular. Actually some <edit: Most> were not even of noble birth.
Generic crusaders would wear basically whatever they had with a cross sewn onto their garb. It was a common practice that after clergy would give a recruitment speech and masses would come to volunteer, the clergy would sometimes tear their habits and hand out strips for people to sew onto their clothing. The color would be the clergy that tore his habit. But think monks so black, brown, maybe white, red?
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Bran
Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3699Posted:
Jul 15, 2007 - 01:36 PM |
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| For this battle, if you are not a knight, you should wear the color of your Order to designate yourself as a Sgt or whatever. |
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Remember, not everyone attending is portraying membership in one of the Orders. Many Crusaders were secular and of numerous backgrounds from Scandinavia, to Spain to Armenia to Christian Ethiopia.
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Jul 15, 2007 - 09:59 AM |
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| Is there a finalized list of acceptable weapons and shield shapes for the crusader side of the battle? I know this was talked about, but I couldn't remember what was said about glaives or pole arms. |
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If you go back through the posts you will find a few tid bits of information.
But Acceptable weapons are any weapon used for the first through the third crusade.
Broadsword
Hand axe
Mace
Two handed axe
Spear (Lance)
Dagger
Combat Archery
Seige weapons
Shields should be either kite round or heater.
Not allowed are
two weapon styles
Bastard swords
Great Swords
Pole arms
Glaives were in contestation due to there appearance in the Mac Bible. We shall see when we muster if we will allow them or not.
Acceptions to the rule are the Mac Bible weapons:
The Falx, Fauschard, Warbrand.
The "Medieval Chopper"
The Warclub.
Look at previous posts for links to these weapons.
If there are other weapons or shields not yet mentioned that are documentable to the time periods in question please post here.
For this battle, if you are not a knight, you should wear the color of your Order to designate yourself as a Sgt or whatever.
Hope this helps and if you need anything else please let us know?
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Jasper
Plebian
Posts: 31Posted:
Jul 11, 2007 - 09:40 AM |
Is there a finalized list of acceptable weapons and shield shapes for the crusader side of the battle? I know this was talked about, but I couldn't remember what was said about glaives or pole arms. |
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