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AengusMacFarlane
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Posts: 244 Posted:
Aug 23, 2007 - 07:52 AM
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I wish I would have been able to make the crusader battle this past Pennsic, but I don't have a kit I would feel appropriate for either side. I am really excited about a chance to participate in the battle in the years to come. I wanted to share these 2 links I found for armor. One from the Metropolitan Museum or Art and one from a topic on MyArmor.com
I looks like I could have a convincing enough Saracen kit by only making 3 additional pieces for my current kit (helm, chest and gomlek).
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Aug 23, 2007 - 06:55 AM |
Good Selim,
What an awesome post. I bookmarked a few things for further study.
The only thing I disagree with is the use of broadcloth or trigger for garb. It just doesn't flow right and is very hot. I have found medium to heavy linen to be quite durable and it just looks good.
www.fabric_store.com you can get linen for a decent price in all sorts of period colors.
The kits of the army of Islam looked great. Just need more of them. Also the addition of the Varangian Gaurdsmen, although later period, was very fun and well done.
Again great post. Please continue to research and post here. This is the core of all this effort. For me, the more I learn about the Middle Eastern Culture and the Saracen people of that day the better and more authentic I can make my persona as a Palastinean Norman/Frank.
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Bran
Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3699Posted:
Aug 23, 2007 - 06:30 AM |
There was a good show on PBS last night Baroness Malla told me to turn on. It was titled:
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain: An examination of a time during the Middle Ages when Christians, Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisted in southern Spain; and what led to the disintegration of the society. Included: reenactments; the region's Islamic architecture.
It showed the almost "as it should have been" era that we should emulate ourselves. I recommend watching it.
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain
Thursday, August 23, 10:00am
A look at the diversity of Medieval Spain.
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain
Friday, August 24, 12:00pm
A look at the diversity of Medieval Spain.
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain
Sunday, August 26, 3:00pm
A look at the diversity of Medieval Spain.
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain
Tuesday, August 28, 3:00pm
A look at the diversity of Medieval Spain.
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain
Tuesday, August 28, 9:00pm
A look at the diversity of Medieval Spain.
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain
Wednesday, August 29, 12:00am
A look at the diversity of Medieval Spain.
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain
Sunday, September 2, 9:00am
A look at the diversity of Medieval Spain.
Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain
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Selimthelarge
Celtic Oar Puller
Posts: 214Posted:
Aug 23, 2007 - 06:06 AM |
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Also, while later (1250), I would love to so the Battle of Mansurah some day as well....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Al_Mansurah
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I love the sound of this one! French, Templars, Saracens...yeah.
Here's some more Saracen stuff, my friends:
gomlek:
here
This is a pattern for a shirt or coat that you can wear to cover your (SCA minimum) armor bits. The text mentions lots of different fabrics to choose from. If you want the "vast hordes" look, choose desert colors like tan, brown, black, or white.
Use this same pattern with quilted material to make a gambeson, or look for the fantastic instructions penned by Inga the Unfettered for her Lost Vikings household.
tiraz embroidery:
here
These bands that decorate the cuffs of one's sleeves and the hem of the coat had many meanings to ME cultures: they could be a Maker's mark, used to control sumptuary laws like, "only Abdullah can make THAT color green in this town"; they could be talismanic, invoking the Mercy of Allah with Q'uranic sura.
Mostly I think that they look spiff. 
hauberk:
here
Nothing says, "Die, Templar" like a nice chain shirt and coif. This won't add anything but cosmetics to your armor, but that's OK. Other forms of armor are a great idea, too. The Silk Road Designs Armory has an excellent site that details forms of armor and areas that they influenced.
Earlier, I posted about turbans and turban-tying. That's cool, but if you aren't into turbans, you can use a keffiyeh and agal (the cord that holds it in place):
here
The desert robe is called an aba (your spelling may vary). For a pattern of these garments, I would cut through the bull and approximate by using a choir robe pattern or jedi pattern (George Lucas has no original ideas). Once again, use materials like linen, raw silk, or cotton broadcloth. Go with trigger poplin if you want a sturdier robe. Bright materials are OK, with big geometric patterns on them, but if you want the "horde" thing, go with desert colors.
IM me if you want more info.
Post here if you disagree with what I have written. I am ready and willing to learn.
Your Servant, Whom Allah has Blessed (for He is Merciful),
Selim the Large
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edited because I have fat fingers 
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Aug 23, 2007 - 02:59 AM |
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We very much agreed and appreciate his Grace's concern. The people who plan and run this event will not tolerate in the slightest any dehumanizing or demeaning behavior either on this thread or on the field. We look upon our opponants with the upmost respect and honor.
We ask his Grace to please continue to police us. We trust and respect his Grace's words and ask that he come to us if he feels anything is out of line. We assure his Grace that we will diligently watchdog ourselves.
For the intent of this battle is for the purposes of reenactment and education. We have seen that many have went above and beyond to create a crusader/military order persona and we wanted an avenue for these people to be showcased and honored. Also for those who have middle eastern personas to have a place to shine. I know myself I learned quite a bit about the forces of Islam through this project and admire and respect those who take the time to make themselves look and act the part. The discussion on their battle standards was most enlightening.
So we thank his Grace.
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Aug 23, 2007 - 02:41 AM |
AWESOME, thx Sir Bran.
Man I wish I was in that photo. I was so young then.
Way cool!
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DukeEliahu
Dux Draconis Pristinus
Posts: 343Posted:
Aug 22, 2007 - 09:15 PM |
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I enjoyed our brief discussion of this idea. Of course, though, I am not a scholar of that period. My thoughts have always been that the Society should represent the best of which we are capable as people. In short, the old saying of "The Middle Ages, not as they were, but as they should have been."
This often heard saying is not used as an excuse to allow blatantly out of period representations, however. The intent of the saying is that we will recreate the best of the past (the honor, the challenges of arms, the pagentry, the noble ideals, and the arts) and specifically not recreate the worst of the past (religious persecution and zealotry, starvation, disease, pestilence). It would be a shame if the enthusiasm of our own people for the recreation of the period turned into zealotry for any particular cause.
That is the criteria upon which I base my opinions of such battle re-creations (and relying on the counsel of those more learned in history than I). So I appreciate the concept of a battle wherein those who are generally viewed as enduring adversaries are unitied in a common struggle.
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Sabah
Plebian
Posts: 17Posted:
Aug 22, 2007 - 08:31 PM |
remember brothers the 3rd crusade was not one battle. There many cool sscenenarios possible. A very good resource for us would a book called the crusades througharab eyes. There was so much going on the possibilities are endless. My personal favorite is te battle of hattin but I don't tink we sould overlook the smaller battles either. Oh and the deal cutting between certain amirs and franks. we could tis for years and never do the same fight
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Bran
Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3699Posted:
Aug 22, 2007 - 06:42 PM |
OLD PHOTO TIME
The First Crusader Battle at Pennsic. Sir Meurisse de la Lune Sombre in the great helm, myself center and (soon to be knighted) Sarnac fighting Right Handed.
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Aug 22, 2007 - 02:44 PM |
This is an idea I ran by His Grace Duke Sir Eliahu.
I believe the 6th crusade was the one were the prince of Cairo hired the Mamluks to invade the Holy Land and take it over for him?
I remember reading that there were a couple occasions where The Crusader Forces and the Sacacen Forces actually banded together to fight them.
With this, maybe one year we could combine the forces of Saracen and Frank vs the known world? I personally think we would need to get a few years of this under our belts to try to coordinate this endeavor but it is a thought?
I agree there are many scenerios we could do. This last battle was our first, so we can definately build upon it. I think this upcoming year we should possibly redo what we did this year? Even though the battles were much fun and honorabley fought on both sides, there were people who due, to obligations to other events, couldn't participate. We all know that much was amiss on that Wednesday due to the Fencing Battle being reschedualed. Also, hopefully more people will participate after seeing how great we looked.
Please give your thoughts on this.
Also if we are going to include Crusades after 1192 we open up a variety of weapons to be used. Mainly Glaives.
Another thing is, if possible, it would be nice to use tactics employed by either side to make the fighting more authentic as well. This would mean more archers on either side but especially the Saracen side. The Franks would hurl javilans at the Saracens. Maintain better Conroi (unit) structure. This would also add to our fun and make it more educational.
Just me thoughts.
edited by: Tyerrie, Aug 22, 2007 - 05:45 PM
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Richard
Senator
Posts: 1261Posted:
Aug 21, 2007 - 09:41 PM |
How about the Sack of Constantinople during the 4th?
OR the seige at Antioch during the First Crusade.
or perhaps the crusades in Spain...
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BdeB
Thugicus Atlantii
Posts: 484Posted:
Aug 21, 2007 - 01:15 PM |
I'd like to see us try and do another sceranio based on something Historical.....third crusade is easy because there is the attraction of getting a Saladin or Lionheart into the story...but pre-third crusade is pretty cool too, with lots of little skermishes and such we could incorporate into the story.
Also, while later (1250), I would love to so the Battle of Mansurah some day as well....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Al_Mansurah
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Gilebert
Legionnaire
Posts: 331Posted:
Aug 21, 2007 - 09:05 AM |
Probably the folks who put together and sell the Pennsic DVD. They were in the bazaar at the west end of the merchants on the Street of Gold... over by the barn.
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
Aug 21, 2007 - 08:56 AM |
I noticed that there were professional looking movie cameras around the field during the Crusader Battle. Does anyone know who took the footage and where to get a copy?
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Threefists
Conseco Ago
Posts: 182Posted:
Aug 19, 2007 - 01:51 PM |
just wanted to go on record saying that i loved the weapon and shield restrictions. watching HRM Dag's axe come in over my shield was a nice change from "stick, stick, stick. oh look a spear" knocked the dog snot outta me btw. as for seige engines (i know, i know. fixated) ive got 6 ballista at my disposal that we are more than welcome to use. just need more engineers. be more than happy so share with the crusaders. | |
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