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Gunnar
Media Regium Fanatica
Posts: 981 Posted:
May 10, 2007 - 11:23 AM
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Your Grace, Fabled Son of Solomon
Poopy-heads fails to scratch the surface of the poop-tastic poopariousness of these "templars".
They're like the rednecks of the middle-east middle ages !
(For the record, Duke Felix, I think it would be awesome to be drug out before the crusaders if I were captured and have some one lopp off my head. Hehehehehe, that would be so cool. Who wants to lopp off my Head ?  )
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DukeEliahu
Dux Draconis Pristinus
Posts: 343Posted:
May 10, 2007 - 10:59 AM |
I think I may sit out this battle.
Or I suppose, in respect for historical verisimiltude, I could offer to finance both sides, and then instead of getting repaid, get kicked out of their countries.
Actually, there are accounts of Jews fighting alongside the Knights Hospitaller, and also fighting alongside Saladin.
Never with the Templars, however.
The Templars were poopy-heads. 
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Felix
Dux Draconis
Posts: 613Posted:
May 10, 2007 - 10:31 AM |
We should do more than one of these battles. Reason being anyone captured should have the option of converting to the other side, slavery (sit out the next battle in a baggage train) or they get decapitated befoe the start of the next battle. Anyone who captures me I am switching teams.   | |
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Leo_Medii
Legionnaire
Posts: 912Posted:
May 10, 2007 - 08:53 AM |
It was funny to hear people saying "who's that templar guy" at practice Tuesday! 
Richard liked the new look! Well, except the helmet of course.
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Dancingbear
Plebian
Posts: 17Posted:
May 10, 2007 - 08:33 AM |
Brothers, first forgive my use of your crest, but I thought it wise, so that a friend might recognize me from afar.
I am new to your forums, but an avid follower of all things Crusades related. I have enjoyed watching the martial banter being exchanged during the build up of the event.
I am saddened that there seems to be an issue with the whole Crusader vs Saracen turning into a Christian vs Islam issue. Do you all not reenact other medieval events? Are there not English vs French, or as I have seen Norman vs Saxon, or even pre 11th century Western European vs Vikings, which to my knowledge could easily be contrued as Christians vs Pagans...why does this not generate friction?
Why, because you all understand it as fun, done in good faith, with no ill will aimed at any one side.
Please do not allow this to be turned into some statement, that can be misconstued by any media coverage you may have. Go forth and enjoy the activity, marvel at the martial valor that must have been displayed in such an event, and use it to educate the young and the interested, so that they may want to carry on the same way as you have done. This will cause them to "dig" in the books, and generate a larger pool of interested warriors. With more involved, you'll learn more..and that's a good thing.
I must make note, that I am not a member of the SCA, but an independent Medieval reenactor: specifically Knights Templar.
I wish you all the best of luck, and to both sides: "Let Valor not fail!"
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Bran
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Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3703Posted:
May 10, 2007 - 07:27 AM |
Shield covers and stitched on crosses seem to be the fastest easiest way to denote the Western 'Franks'.
[[[Urban’s request made his listeners very enthusiastic and they joined in one big cry, “God wills it!” From Clermont people traveled through France preaching the cause. The people who joined the expeditions sewed a cloth cross on their clothes. They were called crusaders, from the Latin word cruciata, which means, “marked with a cross.”]]]
Not sure if it would be ok to do a variety of Cresents for the Eastern 'Saracens'.
I know black and white are the typical color of the overtunics of the Saracen Armies (man talk about hard to find informtion from the Net. Guess I'll have to open books).
Green was popular for banners with white cresent <optional varieties of a Star or Venus, the Mornign Star?> and white lettering.
Also red banners and black.
Most armor was covered with cloth tunics or robes, many with prayers on cloth stitched to sleeves etc.
Byzantines on the Saracen side? No clue. That is going to be the difficult part when confronting opponents on the field.
All in all, very exciting.
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Selimthelarge
Celtic Oar Puller
Posts: 214Posted:
May 10, 2007 - 05:37 AM |
So all of our opponents will be wearing crosshairs, I mean crosses?
Ya'know, in a battle like this, I would be willing to draw names out of a hat. I don't care which side I'm on, as long as I'm allowed to play.
That said, I will have a wagon with me at the battlefield. Any member of the Order who desires the Mercy of Allah is welcome to place his weapons in that wagon. I will take him/her as prisoner with very little rough treatment.
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Tyerrie
Templi Frère
Posts: 279Posted:
May 09, 2007 - 08:02 PM |
I would like to clarify a few things.
This battle is being organized to foster a more historic gendre to our combat. It is being done in the theme of the crusades because we of Outremer are crusaders.
It is hoped that others will do such with their persona's. If someone wishes to plan a viking vs. saxin battle or a hun vs. franks battle they should do so.
It was posted earlier that this is not a christian vs. the known world battle. This is a chance to try to fight a battle trying to be as historically accurate as our meger means can make it.
I really do not see any reason why people are intimidated by this event and its theme. Many things have happened at Pennsic and other events that are not of a christian nature and I really can't think of anytime a big uproar was made about it. I would like to say that no one is required to participate if they do not wish. Also we will show respect to both sides and not blaspheme beliefs or tradition. We will honor and pay homage to the dead who gave their lives for what they believed.
All those who fight on the Christian side should wear a tabard or something with a cross affixed to it. Scroll back to earlier posts on this. Since this is the first in what is hoped to be an annual event we will not be so critical on armour this time. However I myself am sewing fervently to make garb and a few things to look the part as it were. Please make a reasonable attempt to do the same.
The information was sent to Rocco early April but I haven't heard back yet. I am assuming they are still ironing things out.
Bottom line is we know people will complain and such but I suggest we pay them no mind and just do what we are going to do and have fun. It will be a grand spectical to be sure.
Yes it would be nice to hear those of Islam on this thread. Mayhaps they are to busy preparing for us? I dare say they are formitable fighters and it will be a glorious day.
Make ready, the time draws near.
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Threefists
Conseco Ago
Posts: 182Posted:
May 09, 2007 - 04:28 PM |
Gunnar, I'll throw runes with you anytime. I say we do it as part of the flavor for each battle. And then let us share in the sumbel.
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Denewulf
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Plebian
Posts: 319Posted:
May 09, 2007 - 02:45 PM |
Sir Bryce, it's sad to hear that your efforts to play along with the theme of this battle are being taken in such manner. I suppose that one could make the argument that the current situation in the Middle East could be adding to the fears of people who are overly sensitive to matters with even the pretense of religion as a cause for conflict, but those of us in the SCA should understand that what we're really doing here is finding another excuse for a bunch of people to get together and hit each other with sticks in a themed manner, and then go share a drink or twelve and tell great stories about it that night.
I am the king of the run-on sentence...damned long-winded skalds...
Gunnar, I'll throw runes with you anytime. I say we do it as part of the flavor for each battle. And then let us share in the sumbel.
I too would like to see the Saracen forces rise and hear the words of their eloquent poets. We Varangians are taking the side of Saladin in an effort to bolster his forces for the sake of the fun of this fight. If we alone stand on the field with Saladin then we shall be filled with that much more joy, for all the killing of the day shall be done by our swords, axes and spears. Those who wear the sign of the cross shall have to wait in the sun for their death, watching their brothers die.
Richard, that's a good idea.
edited by: Denewulf, May 09, 2007 - 05:45 PM
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Bran
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Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3703Posted:
May 09, 2007 - 01:46 PM |
Side note:
It isn't really about Christians and Muslims but the political state of the area and Saladin's attempt to maintain his 'Empire' via eliminating the Westerners. Many of the city states, both Muslim and Christian (Eastern Rites, Western and also Gone Native Westerners) switched sides like I do braies afte Chili Night when Gunnar is cooking. It is really a Third Crusade Mock Battle with King Richard and King Saladin as out leaders and the rest of us simply trying to taste that era's Grand Horrors of battle. Hopefully, we will all understand more of that time period, the turmoils, the garb and kits and lifestyles.
It is all a learning process. BdB's speeches are inspring as are Gunnar's and Denewulf's. I know there are Saracen Poets out there but perhaps they are tending the herds or guarding caravans presently and wil post odes later.
Good point Richard: The mix of Native Franks, Armenians etc may be confusing.
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Richard
Senator
Posts: 1261Posted:
May 09, 2007 - 01:32 PM |
Sir Bryce, thank you, reading that was inspiring.
On a side note... there is nothing to say the 'heathens' can not put on some pomp and show to recruit their forces! Hell I look forward to hearing about it!
As to the actual battle itself, one item of critical note. There will be helms with various colors on the helm indicating their mid/east affiliation, so using tape is sort of out of the question, plus it takes away.
The problem we are faced with and were faced with before, is that someone shows up as a Crusader persona, but is not in a recognizable Crusader armour. I say this because it happened last time we did this big of a battle several years ago.
I suggest the following:
a Cross, well and good showing on the outfit or shiled such that the opposing forces will recognize it. This would be the only item which identifies you. If you don't have enough identification and you get hit, well, sorry, that is how it would have happened! There are many Christian personas, who used Middle Eastern armour and identifications, but overall there was always a Cross to identify your affiliation, especially in battle and everyone should take that into consideration.
But I will leave that up to Tyrrie to decide as he is organizing it. Is there a battlefiled time and location reserved yet? Should be about that time, especially since I hear that war negotiations are close to being finalized.
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Gunnar
Media Regium Fanatica
Posts: 981Posted:
May 09, 2007 - 01:17 PM |
Some people take this game way to seriously. I like the religious affects, it actually has made me go do research, which is what this non-profit org. is supposed to be about.
I say play it up Christians / Muslims / Heathens...whatever. People ought to know the difference between play and real.
In our camp at Blackstone, I threw the runes for General Eikbrandr the night before the battle. I am not a Neo-Pagan. I did it becuase we were trying to re-enact something that might have happened the night before a battle in a norse camp. I didnt think I ACTUALLY practiced divination. People need to chill..... really !
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Bran
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Milites Templi Draconis
Posts: 3703Posted:
May 09, 2007 - 11:05 AM |
The 'others' have free reign to post here as has been done earlier in the thread. Worry not their lack of enthusiasm, they will make up for it ont he field, rest assured. I've been relegious generic/neutral not refering to one sect, cult or theology in posts. It can be worded to not shake anyone's boat but takes thought. All fun imo.
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Felix
Dux Draconis
Posts: 613Posted:
May 09, 2007 - 10:29 AM |
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| I'm sorry my friend. I seemed to have caused quite the crap-storm with my little displays and I have been trying to do damage control for the last several days.
(*Sigh* I'm sure that there will be no outcry over the Saracen response at the next event....)
I apologize for bringing any drama to this wonderful event. I am still looking forward to it and plan on bringing a large contingent of Atlantians to fight on both sides, and hopefully provide marshalling and waterbearer support as well.
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Man this is small potatoes! My first Coroantion they said I made everyone take communion and that I also made a Cardinal and sanction a specific religion for the Middle. All untrue, I do have a squire who does a Bishop personia and he get raked over on a regular basis but hey I make em' tough. You are correct the other religous displays and refferences are never tagged. Hang in there and keep searching for the fun. Just put a tree on your tunic and call it eco wars or druid retribution and all will be fine. 
I forgot to add now I am going to support this battle at Pennsic.
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